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So I got in a little argument with my mother...

Basically, the usual situation is that she comes sometimes to force me into drawing some original, non-pony things over photographs, and I reluctantly do it.

This time, we got in a serious argument because of cartoony lines that are supposed to indicate motion. The general idea was following: one worm throws a book, other gets hit, and book rebounds off his face.

For some reason, she seemed almost furious because of my initial arrangement of those lines, based on what I usually saw in comics. She insisted to drop it in favor of a different arrangement, which seemed completely illogical to me.

Below you will find both versions, the top one being mine, and the bottom one being my mother's. Which arrangement is better? Which expresses the concept more clearly? Which is more logical and why?

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iluvpokemonman Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2012  Student Digital Artist
The top one makes more sense. The lines are supposed to indicate motion. The top shows the individual motion of the hand and book, the curved one being the motion of the hand, and the straight one being the book. The bottom is one motion, being the book. This one shows that the book and hand go in the same direction and then the book is somehow forced upwards, without the hand being moved at all, or that the book somehow came down and bounced off the hand.(I don't know...). In my opinion, the top makes more sense to me, but this is in my opinion, others WILL think different.
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Pevlarus-in-Exile Featured By Owner Apr 12, 2012
These need to merge.
Yours conveys the individual movements of hand, book, and face, and that's good.
On the other hoof, hers focuses on the motion of the book, which also makes sense.

Personally, I would recommend using very thin lines for the movement of the hand, just as you did in the first example; then use thicker lines to emphasize the book's trajectory. For that, I personally would have both thin and thick starting together (perhaps drawn parallel to and alongside each other), then splitting apart as the book leaves the hand.

Hope that made sense, and that it helps.
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8765932012 Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012
I would say both are wrong. If you'll allow me to explain:

The first looks to awkward. Although it accurately describes the motion undertaken, the three arcs look too cumbersome, and take away from the drawing instead of emphasizing the motion. I can see the intent in the first one, but it doesn't sit well with me.

The second looks more streamlined, and takes less away from the picture. However, the motion undertaken is different from the intended effect. While the intention is to show a hand moving to throw a book, and the book flying into the face of the other worm, it looks more like the book feel from some unknown place and bounced off the lowered hand of the "throwing" worm. The differentiation between the two movements is indicated in the first picture moreso, so the intention that there are 2 different actions is clear.

If I were to propose a compromise, perhaps a combination of the two styles is in order. Make a more streamlined gesture of action lines signifying the movement of the 1st worms hand (as in the 2nd picture), but separate this movement from the action of the book flying into the face of the other worm (as in the 1st picture). This si, of course, only a suggestion, so feel free to do as you please.
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Corwyn-Talia Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012
The top one makes more sense, throwing arc goes forward-ish, not against the momentum in the bottom.
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MadHatterGaz Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
yea the top, man. Sorry about the whole situation :(
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Bladehenge Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I'd say the top. It seems to more clearly state that the book is being thrown. The bottom one makes it seem like the book was falling towards his hand and bounced off his hand into the others face.
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Barill Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012
you don't release the book at the end of your swing... you release it halfway.... imaging the book going all the way down, then flying up at that awkward angle
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GeoNine Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Version 1 looks more like the book was thrown in the sweep motion.
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R-B-D Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Version 1 makes way more sense; version 2 looks as if the book is launched upwards after a downwards motion, now how is that supposed to work? =P
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decompressor Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Maybe if you used less lines for the swinging arm it could be seen seperately from the motion lines of the book. I agree, your version seems more logical.
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Ookami-95 Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012
I like your version better, your mothers version looks like he swings his hands down then he shoots it out of his hands or use force push. So unless the worm is a jedi or a sith your version makes more sense.
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Ookami-95 Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012
I forgot to add this, the lines your mother uses is most used when something is falling down and then it bounces of something.
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Mahaugher Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree with you on the lines, the motion is more natural in yours. Throwing a book like you would in the bottom one would be quite odd.
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DivineDeity002 Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012
I would say the top one. The lines distinguishing the motion of the throwing hand from the motion of the book. The lower image seems as if the hand is bringing the book down and then tossing it up.
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Flutterknight Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Your mother's lines make no sense as it is presented here. If the worm were throwing the book underhand (thus having the initial lines arcing the other direction) they would make more sense, or if it were being thrown at a taller creature. As is, your lines make more sense.

Also, I'm not sure whether to think your mother's silly for making you draw things you don't want to, or cool for making you draw worms...because Worms is an awesome game. >.>
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ZuTheSkunk Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012
Oh, it's not that I don't want to draw Worms; I've been drawing them often in my childhood, and managed to create my personal style for them, so it's not that much of a problem. It's the fact that she always comes when I'm not in the mood to draw what SHE wants, or when I'm in the middle of doing something else.

And yes, that's exactly what I was saying to her during our argument: the arrangement she was suggesting seemed as if the worm first waved his hand from up to down (dunno how to correctly state it), and then the book was somehow launched from his hand.
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frenchifries Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2012  Student
While they both convey the motion clearly, I think the bottom one makes more sense, at least to me. My problem with the top version is that the lines don't really show the progression of movement, they just show generally what direction the book is moving in; while the bottom one shows the complete path from above the worm's head to a little lower than his head to up a bit and toward the other worm's head, eventually making impact and bouncing off.

But that's just my opinion, and what makes sense to me could be completely different to what makes sense to other people. Anyway, the trajectory of the book seems a bid odd overall, and the worm's throwing hand doesn't look much like it is throwing or has just completed a throwing motion.
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